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Operating room nurse Pauline Taylor knows her refusal to get a flu shot is based on faulty logic.
Even health care workers reject flu shots
Seeded on Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:11 PM EDT
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As a Physician, I see so many patients during flu season that act incredulous that they "only" have the flu when they come in coughing with a temperature of 104. They insist that it is something else, and I try to explain that the flu can hit hard and keep you down for 5-7 days (or more, and some people can die from complications). They apparently were not aware of how sick people get from Influenza. I ask about the flu shot, and they say they "don't believe in it" or "it makes them sick". Then they want to know why I can't do anything for them after they come to me 3 days after their symptoms began. I recommend the flu shot to everyone (barring allergies, etc). But especially health care workers. I personally saw at least 100 flu cases last flu season. That is a lot of exposure. Sure, no flu shot is a guarantee that a person won't get the flu, but I will take even a 50% reduction in risk (though most flu shots reduce risk of getting the flu by much more).
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#1 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:11 PM EDTI'd actually like to get your take on what a "bad reaction" to a flu shot is because I've gotten lots of conflicting view points on this.
The achey and icky part after the shot I can live with. The bad part for me is every time I get a flu shot my blood pressure takes a nose dive and I pass out. I'm not afraid of needles and no other vaccine does this to me. I've asked several medical professionals about this and I've gotten an equal number of people telling me to forego flu shots since I'm not in one of the high risk categories and people telling me to go ahead and take them and just be prepared to wake up on the floor (which I'm not terribly keen on).
Chibidraco,
With regards to your reaction, I would have to ask how quickly after the shot you had the reaction. If it was rapid (seconds), I would have to say it is unlikely to be any component of teh shot itself, as what you are describing is classic for vasovagal syncopy (doctor speak for fainting after a stressful/painful event like a shot). I see that quite a bit from various shots. I would suggest that if you ever do try to receive a flu shot in the future, that you receive it while lying down and stay lying down for 20 minutes afterwards to minimize the chance of passing out. Perhaps there is some component of the flu shot that is more painful or stressful for you. I doubt it is an "allergic reaction", based on what you have described. I have seen people have those, and it is very different. I can't force people to get a flu shot, but it is my duty to offer it to people.
If you are low risk, statistically speaking you are unlikely to die or have severe complications from the flu, but each year it mutates and it is hard to know what the next strain will be like. It is your personal decision to get it or not.
Best of luck.
Thanks for the response. It's usually about 20 to 30 seconds after the shot that it happens. And it's really weird because I've recently had tetatnus shots and a long series of GNRH inhibitor shots which hurt like the dickens, but I never once passed out.
Maybe now that it's happened once I just have come to expect it and get worked up over it....who knows.
I have had lots of shots, like a lot of people, and never had an issue, but one time I got blood drawn and when she pricked with that needle, I felt this sensation over a wide area kind of like "hitting a nerve" After they drew the blood, I got very light headed and had to sit down. I didn't pass out, but I would say it was close. And this was from REMOVING blood, not putting anything into me. It only happened once, so I don't usually think about it, but sometimes I do before getting stuck. Hopefully thinking about it doesn't increase the chance of a recurrence.
Does it disturb you that at the Iowa hospital where the flu shot is mandatory that 7 percent of health care givers have a Doctor's excuse advising against the shot to protect their health?
Would that be an accurate percentage to use to predict serious side effects. Your getting awefully close to 1 in 10 children then experiencing a side effect from the flu vaccine (children's immune and neurological systems are not yet developed).
What does that raise the combined risk of side effects for children after 40 vaccinations by age five? Side effect risk of each vaccine, the 40 vaccine figure....the particularly high risk of side effects of the flu vaccine alone. That can't be good?
The mandation of the flu shot for pre-school age children in NJ goes into effect soon!! The flu vaccine still has the full mercury dose they used to give in the 80's. Thimerosal-free flu vaccine must be special ordered (who would special order a flu vaccine during the flu season?).
As for asking my doc if they had the shot, I think I would rather one who didn't...I'm more annoyed that they use hand sanitizer instead of soap and water.....I have never had a flu shot, never taken my kids for one and never will......
I completely agree with Nurse Taylor on this, because I have had the exact same experience on more than one occasion. I have received the flu shot approximately 3 times in my life and - you guessed it! - gotten sick with the flu shortly thereafter, whereas I do not usually get the flu. The last time I got the flu shot, I ended up with the worst case of flu I have ever had in my life. I ended up in the emergency room with a fever that would not go down even with a fever reducer, muscle pain, extreme fatigue, disorientation, and a complete loss of appetite, among other things. I will never receive the flu shot again, despite the "expertise" of the doctors that push it so hard without acknowledging the bad reactions (including the flu itself!) that many people will have from it. And don't even get me started on the mercury content in these vaccines...
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#2 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:45 PM EDTAndrea M.-
I am sorry to hear about your bad experiences with the flu shot. Certainly it is not a perfect shot, and there are people who have adverse reactions to it. In your case, I would venture to guess that what you were experiencing was not the flu itself (which is not in the form of a live virus in the vaccine), but a strong immune reaction to the contents of the vaccine. There are people who will have a strong immune response to foreign substances (like a vaccine). Your description of your symptoms fit more with that than Influenza (cough, nasal congestion, high fever etc.). So, while I believe you have demonstrated an intolerance to the vaccine, and think it reasonable that you forego it in the future, I don't think that the vaccine gave you the flu. But that is just really semantics.
Personally, I believe my job as a Physician is to provide my patients with information so that they can make an educated decision about their health care. If your current doctors don't treat you with respect and give you the freedom to make choices for yourself (even if they do not agree with you), find new doctors. In your case, I would simply let you know that you are statistically much less likely to get the flu (and be much less at risk for complications or death from the flu, if you contracted it despite being vaccinated) if you received annual flu shots. If you understand the risks of both getting and not getting vaccinated, you can then make the choice that suites you best. I have no issue with respecting your autonomy.
My point in my original post was that many of my flu patients were literally shocked at how bad Influenza made them feel. As a standard part of the office visit with anyone who is diagnosed with Influenza, I provide them with a work or school note that gives them 5 days off. As long as those who decline the flu shot understand this, I don't harass or patronize them into getting it.
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Thank you, realisticmom. That's good information, and I appreciate your approach to respecting your patients' choices, and providing them with sound information to help them come to a decision.
I understood what you pointed out Realisticmom. Thank you for your explanation on the immune reaction, but then I'd like to ask, which is worse? If the immune reaction to the shot is as bad as the flu itself, why go through it? I mean, there would be a guarantee that you'd have a reaction to the shot, and you have less of a chance of actually getting the flu.
My other question regarding that is this: Those who have really good immune systems would just contain the flu to the areas where it can be more easily evacuated from the body, maybe a mild case of diarrhea, but the shots are directly into the blood which means there has been a bypass of the system that would normally contain the virus in order to evacuate it. I'm curious as to why we inject into the bloodstream rather than offer another form of immunization.
I forgot to add, I take coconut oil. I haven't been sick since I started on it. EVER. It's a very well known antibiotic (but not the GOOD biotics that the body needs,) anti-viral, anti-fungal, and anti-parasitic. My doctor (who is indeed an MD) recommended it due to the serious health problems I USED to have. I had liver disease, impaired breathing due to an unknown/undiagnosed blockage and opacity in the lungs, arthritis, impaired thinking process, and severely inflamed stomach. I was also diagnosed with Lupus and suffered severe to extreme exhaustion and pain. All of which are gone. It also caused me to lose the weight that all of the medicines I was on caused. Why aren't we pressing people to get back to HEALTH as opposed to introducing dangerous (dead or no) concoctions into our bodies?
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Echoe...I agree with you. I use homeopathic remedies too and am rarely if ever ill. I use them on my pets as well. Remember... allopathic medicines have only been around a short time...less than 200 yrs. Most naturopathic /natural medicines , chinese medicine and ayurvedic medicines have been around THOUSANDS of years and are proven. In addition ... allopathic medicines are not a CURE... they simply mask or alleviate SYMPTOMS whereas natural medicine goes to the ROOT CAUSE of the symptoms. What conventional doctors refuse to acknowledge is that all diseases and conditions have intricate connections with our bodies and it's organs and systems. They insist on isolating and treating only A condition or A symptom without realizing that the WHOLE body/person needs to be treated...physically, mentally and spiritually in order to HEAL. That is why I avoid conventional medicine and physicians like the plague.
Also...the reason why you'll never see a "cure" for ANYTHING in convention medicine is that BIG PHARMA and the lobby groups will NEVER EVER allow it. It would put them out of business and we all know PROFITS come before Humanitarian acts of responsibility.
That's why every time I see all these causes to donate to... Cancer, MS, Arthritis, etc... I cringe at how ppl have NO IDEA that their money is NOT going towards finding a cure. It's going towards finding a way to keep BIG PHARMA in business indefinitely.
It is well known in the world of natural medicine that there ARE cures...for many things. Even cancer but the MSM, Big Pharma and your run-of-the-mill physician will NEVER disclose that to you. I find it really sad that the medical profession has become so profit driven and irresponsible. I'll continue to avoid them as long as possible. I don't trust any of them. Since allopathic medicine has come along people are sicker than ever, children have more behavioral problems than ever. You should all question and research and NEVER take what any doctor tells you as "gospel".
Want to get rid of the flu and other things.... try LDM 100tm....natural botanical anti-viral, anti-bacterial, anti-fungal. Colloidal Silver has the same qualities and both can be used topically or orally. Best advice yet to avoid disease.... eat ORGANIC, avoid any GMO foods and artificial ANYTHING...preservatives, additives, colorings, flavorings etc. Ever wonder why our grandparents and the generations before them weren't dropping like flies of cancer and other ills at 40 ?? They were not being legally "poisoned" like generations have been since the 50's by the food industry and worthless gov't entities like the USDA and FDA who think small amts of toxins, carcinogens, fecal matter and so forth are "ACCEPTABLE" in small amounts. Sorry... NOT acceptable in ANY amount.
I have not had a cold or the flu in YEARS.... since I STOPPED taking chemical medicines and stopped eating poisoned/contaminated food.
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I completely agree with Nurse Taylor and Andrea M. I usually only occasionally get a mild case of the flu. The one time I got a flu shot it not only made me sick at the time but I went on to get the flu three times during flu season and they were the worst cases I have ever had. I agree that the flu shot does not bring on the flu but I think that, in some people, it weakens the immune system rather than strengthening it resulting in more susceptability to illness. At least it seemed to do that in my case. That is why I no longer get flu shots and my cases of flu have continued to be much milder and more infrequent.
#3 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:19 PM EDTWhen I asked my Oncologist in Manhatten re flu shots---he asked what strain was I planning on taking--he said that it is a crap shoot--that there are at least a hundred strains out there.
He didn't recommend it and did not take it himself-----as far as I am concerned thats proffessional advise!!!
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#4 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:35 PM EDTVaccines = Eugenics
Eugenics = Hitler's "Master Race"
Hitler's "Master Race" = Popluation reduction to benefit the elite
America has the most heavily vaccinated population on the planet yet we have the sickest population in the world. Coincidence?
Read the ingredients to vaccines from the CDC website:
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf
Influenza (Afluria)
Beta-Propiolactone, Calcium Chloride, Neomycin, Ovalbumin, Polymyxin B,
Potassium Chloride, Potassium Phosphate, Sodium Phosphate, Sodium
Taurodeoxychoalate.
Influenza (Fluarix)
Egg Albumin (Ovalbumin), Egg Protein, Formaldehyde or Formalin,
Gentamicin, Hydrocortisone, Octoxynol-10, "-Tocopheryl Hydrogen Succinate,
Polysorbate 80, Sodium Deoxycholate, Sodium Phosphate, Thimerosal*
Influenza (Flulaval)
Egg Albumin (Ovalbumin), Egg Protein, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Sodium
Deoxycholate, Phosphate Buffers, Thimerosal
Influenza (Fluvirin)
Beta-Propiolactone , Egg Protein, Neomycin, Polymyxin B, Polyoxyethylene 9-
10 Nonyl Phenol (Triton N-101, Octoxynol 9), Thimerosal (multidose
containers), Thimerosal* (single-dose syringes)
Influenza (Fluzone)
Egg Protein, Formaldehyde or Formalin, Gelatin, Octoxinol-9 (Triton X-100),
Thimerosal (multidose containers)
Influenza (FluMist)
Chick Kidney Cells, Egg Protein, Gentamicin Sulfate, Monosodium Glutamate,
Sucrose Phosphate Glutamate Buffer
As you can see, there are NO "strains" of Flu in any of these vaccines. We are told every year that these vaccines contain the new "strains" of Flu every year when the virus mutates. LIES LIES LIES. Most of these ingredients are POISONS to the human body and human DNA. Thermerisol is a mercury product that kills nerve cells. Formaldehyde is embombing fluid for dead people and poisonous to humans. Chicken Kidney Cells????? WTF.
If you care at all about yourself or your CHILDREN you need to watch the following videos.
Vaccines: The Hidden Truth : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6696666502913965744&ei=IHv3SMjaIpCQqQKD2czfDg&q=vaccines+the+hidden+truth
Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261&ei=YXv3SKefO46qrgLk7dHsDg&q=endgame
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#5 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:50 PM EDTI've never had any reaction to the flu shot worse than a bit of soreness at the site. If you got flu right after having the flu shot, it's because you were already exposed. Don't wait so long to get the shot.
Americans certainly are not the sickest population in the world. Where did that idea come from? Influenza vaccines are from killed viruses. They can't give you the flu. Of course the mix contains various ingredients to make sure only the flu viruses grow. You don't get injected with them.
People use the word "flu" for so many things that no one has a clue what it means. Influenza is not a barfing/pooping disease. Americans are sicker than they need to be because medical care in this country is so expensive and because Americans are dumb as posts about their bodies. Most of what you hear about "the immune system" is complete baloney. You can't "boost your immune system" separately from the rest of your body.
Vaccines as part of eugenics makes no sense at all. Maybe a eugenics believer would not use vaccines with the idea of only keeping the naturally immune alive. Plenty of young, vigorous, and otherwise healthy people die of influenza every year. It often opens the door to bacterial infections that cause debility and death. If life was so much better before modern medicine (say, before WWII) then why is life expectancy so much higher now?
If Eugenics is being practiced at all in Europe or America, why do we see so many handicapped people expensively kept alive?
America has the highest cancer rate, obesity rate, disability rate. So we are a very sick population.
As for the latter of your response, you hit the nail on the head. Make people sick and disabled so that they cant get ahead in life, then keep them barely alive so they can make huge profits on the sicknesses you have. The rich stay rich and healthy while the poor stay poor and sick, perfect eugenics.
Did anyone see the documentary "Origin of Aids", very interesting, info also in a book called "The River", links aids to polio vaccine in French Congo.......I agree we are the sickest and again when I see a not for profit pharmacuetical company, I'll be first in line for the shots....and meds.....and other crap they feed us.....
When I asked my Oncologist in Manhatten re flu shots---he asked what strain was I planning on taking--he said that it is a crap shoot--that there are at least a hundred strains out there.
He didn't recommend it and did not take it himself-----as far as I am concerned thats proffessional advise!!!
#6 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:51 PM EDTHere is some more info from Dr. Sherri Tenpenny:
Ingredients for one of the flu vaccines:
Ingredient and associated risk list for the Fluzone vaccine:
Chick Embryo - this can be problematic for those allergic to eggs or egg products
Formaldehyde - (Embalming Fluid) Formaldehyde has been classified as a human carcinogen (cancer-causing substance) by the International Agency for Research on Cancer and as a probable human carcinogen by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency). Research studies of workers exposed to formaldehyde have suggested an association between formaldehyde exposure and cancers of the nasal sinuses, nasopharynx, and brain, and possibly leukemia
Octoxinol-9 - This is a spermacide (kills sperm) Chills; confusion; dizziness; fever; lightheadedness; muscle aches; sunburn-like skin rash that is followed by peeling of the skin
Triton X-100 - Harmful if swallowed. Causes severe eye irritation. May be harmful if inhaled or in contact with skin. Toxicology not fully investigated. The product may contain traces of ethylene oxide or dioxane, which are probable human carcinogens.
Gelatin- Made from the boiled bones, skins and tendons of animals.
Thimerisol (mercury derivative) - Several cases of acute mercury poisoning from thimerosal-containing products were found in the medical literature with total doses of thimerosal ranging from approximately 3 mg/kg (Your vaccine contains 25 ug per 5mL dose) to several hundred mg/kg These studies reported local necrosis, acute hemolysis, disseminated intravascular coagulation, acute renal tubular necrosis, and central nervous system injury including obtundation, coma, and death
Sodium Phosphate - Phosphates are slowly and incompletely absorbed when ingested, and seldom result in systemic effects. Such effects, however, have occurred Symptoms may include vomiting, lethargy, diarrhea, blood chemistry effects, heart disturbances and central nervous system effects. The toxicity of phosphates is because of their ability to sequester calcium. Irritant due to its acidic nature. May cause inflammation and pain on prolonged contact, especially with moist skin. May sequester calcium and cause calcium phosphate deposits in the kidneys.
Sodium Chloride(Salt) - Very large doses can cause vomiting, diarrhea, and prostration. Dehydration and congestion occur in most internal organs. Hypertonic salt solutions can produce violent inflammatory reactions in the gastrointestinal tract. May irritate damaged skin; absorption can occur with effects similar to those via ingestion.
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#7 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:37 PM EDTSorry to say this doc, but I'm a health care worker too. I hardly ever get the flu but when I got the flu shot last three times I ended up with pneumonia. I don't care if the vaccine has live strain in it or not. Having the vaccine makes me sicker than not having it. Why must I risk my own health?
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#8 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:56 PM EDTLets be realistic, the cdc immunizes for the 3-4 strains that MAY be the most virulent for this season. There are dozens more flu viruses that mutate each year and there is only your bodies immunsystem to protect you from those. Not only that there is a 50% chance the vaccine wont protect you. It only lasts 2-3 months and if you get in now you can still be infected by the particular flu in Jan- March or April since the flu season lasts well into the spring.
Each day I come in contact with patients with the various viruses that cause the flu so I'm inoculated daily. My immunsystem stays charged as long as I maintain proper rest and nutrition. Elderly, debilitated, immunocomprimised yes, but healthy, really what difference does it make. Good Luck all of you out there. I can't waite for the first patient to come through the door and say "But I got the flu shot". If I here that once I'll hear it 500 times this winter.
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#9 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:35 PM EDTSo you never got sick ever before the flu shot? Is that what you are saying? What has pneumonia got to do with the flu? They are two things entirely different.
People who don't get the flu shot, and claim they don't get sick, are the ones hanging over my desk, sick as a dog, and trying to "be a man about it". It's just a bad cold, etc. etc. bla, bla bla.
Flu is flu, and you guys are the ones who keep it spreading along.
#10 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:37 PM EDTYou are right to believe you get the flu whenever you get the flu shot. What no doctor or nurse wants to tell anyone is that your body already has a resistance the influenza, (not an immunity, a resistance). Most everyone will get influenze during the flu season, it is not enough of the virus to cause a person to get sick. But if you have a small amount of the influenza virus, and you receive a shot with a lot dead influenza cells, your body will first attack the dead influenza cells, because they will be easier to kill. The live influenza cells will still be in your body growing, and making a person sicker.
A person with a low amount of immunity, like children and the elderly, should receive the flu shot. Healthy adults, and teenagers, should not get the flu shot. It will make you feel bad for a day or two, and you will get nothing from it.
#11 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:38 PM EDTI always get the shot and haven't had the flu since grad school (no shot available for free back then). What people describe to me as "the shot gave me the flu" never coincides with the actual description of the disease caused by the influenza virus. Instead, it is a combination of misc. symptoms, colds, allergies, food poisoning (the erroneously described "stomach flu" that really doesn't exist) or some psychosomatic concoction they arbitrarily ascribe symptoms to and call the flu. This is not an uncommon situation in a community filled with self-described "doctors" that think they are qualified to properly diagnose themselves based on their varying levels and methods of 'education'.
The flu, a highly infectious respiratory infection, is caused by the influenza virus. Period. That's it.
The flu vaccine can reduce the chance of being infected by the specific type of virus you are inoculated for, or, at a minimum, significantly reduce the severity and duration of the disease.
Micha'el, thanks in advance for starting your rant like you did. Nothing like discrediting yourself before you even start to make your point.
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#12 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:54 PM EDTFacts are facts...how is that discrediting myself? Learn history before you show your ignorance. Or you can keep blindly following your masters.
Fact: Vaccines are a HUGE part of Eugenics
Fact: Eugenics was brought to the mainstream by Hitler's reign with his "master race" concept, which was actually to kill and poison the sheeple while the "master race" elite become the rulers.
Fact: Global leaders still practice this stuff today
Sorry if the truth hurts.
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OK, whatever you say there smart guy! You be educated an no history.
I hear the bigfoot carcass is for sale on eBay. You might want to go and make a bid.
BTW, are you a friend of Timothy McVeigh by chance?
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And the fact remains...if you read the ingredients to vaccines, you will see it is all poisons to the human body. Period.
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Those comments are a true testament to how dumbed down people are...wtf does bigfoot or a CIA agent have to do with the fact that vaccines contain poison?
Whoa whoa whoa! Wait a minute, what happened to your initial premises?
Vaccines are part of eugenics (please define eugenics for us and how vaccines specifically eliminate portions of our populations. While you're at it, who in the population is the government conspiring to eliminate?)
Hilter..yada yada yada. No point here. Your rant speaks for itself.
Still in practice today: please cite some credible evidence that this is the case. You are the dissenting opinion here and the burden of proof is on you.
"wtf does bigfoot or a CIA agent have to do with the fact that vaccines contain poison?"
According to your explanation/description, everything contains poison then since sodium chloride (table salt), sodium phosphate, gelatin (collagen), formaldehyde are naturally occurring compounds found in every living thing. Triton x100 is a detergent. So the Zest in my shower and Tide I use are poison too.
Sounds to me like someone needs a basic high school biology and chemistry class.
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Hey, don't forget that they also contain water. In some cases the toxin water causes hyponatremia. In extremely large doses it causes drowning.
What about oxygen? It's in it too. Don't forget about the Paul Bert effect caused by oxygen!
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"formaldehyde are naturally occurring compounds found in every living thing"???? WRONG
FACT: Formaldehyde (and its oligomers and hydrates) are rarely encountered in living organisms.
And here is the Encarta entry:
Formalin is a trade name for a solution containing 40 percent formaldehyde and 60 percent water or water and methyl alcohol; it has been employed as a disinfectant, insecticide, fungicide, and deodorant. Formaldehyde has been used as a preservative chemical and in embalming of dead bodies. Formaldehyde is used extensively in the chemical industry in the synthesis of organic compounds. Important uses include the manufacture of synthetic resins. Recent tests have indicated that it is a carcinogen. Exposure to formaldehyde fumes released by particleboard and other composite building materials used in housing has raised particular health concerns.
THE FUMES OF THIS STUFF IS DANGEROUS AND YOU ARE GOING TO LET THEM INJECT YOU WITH IT?
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Eugenics:
Eugenics, outgrowth of the study of human heredity, aimed at “improving” the genetic quality of the human stock. Although the idea of eugenics is contained in Plato's Republic, the modern concept became prominent during the second half of the 19th century. Underlying this interest in eugenics were two widespread philosophical convictions: a belief in the perfectibility of the human species and a growing faith in science as the most dependable and useful form of knowledge. One 19th-century predecessor of 20th-century eugenics was the group of sociological theories known as social Darwinism. The favorite catchwords of social Darwinism—“struggle for existence” and “survival of the fittest”—when applied to humans in society, suggested that the rich were better endowed than the poor and hence more successful in life. The continual and natural sorting out of “better” and “worse” elements would therefore lead to continued improvement of the species. Modern eugenics has its roots in, but differs from, social Darwinism. The latter was characterized by its laissez-faire attitude, that is, allowing nature to take its course so that the worst elements of society would eventually be eliminated. Modern eugenics, on the other hand, is based on the notion that careful planning through proper breeding is the key to bettering society.
At one time castration was used as a means of Eugenics.
China's one-child policy and America's Planned Parenthood are Eugenics.
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OMG, you are a tool.
Formalin is a lab reagent. So it can be used in a lab. Do understand that? Concentrated...in large volumes. Get it?
Formaldehyde is a byproduct of metabolic processes.
Read the first sentence:
Or if you want more....
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" The continual and natural sorting out of “better” and “worse” elements would therefore lead to continued improvement of the species."
And how do vaccines accomplish this? How does China's one child policy accomplish this?
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Formaldehyde
Formaldehyde is a colorless, flammable gas at room temperature. It has a pungent, distinct odor and may cause a burning sensation to the eyes, nose, and lungs at high concentrations. Formaldehyde is also known as methanal, methylene oxide, oxymethylene, methylaldehyde, and oxomethane. Formaldehyde can react with many other chemicals, and it will break down into methanol (wood alcohol) and carbon monoxide at very high temperatures.
Formaldehyde is naturally produced in very small amounts in our bodies as a part of our normal, everyday metabolism and causes us no harm. It can also be found in the air that we breathe at home and at work, in the food we eat, and in some products that we put on our skin. A major source of formaldehyde that we breathe everyday is found in smog in the lower atmosphere. Automobile exhaust from cars without catalytic converters or those using oxygenated gasoline also contain formaldehyde. At home, formaldehyde is produced by cigarettes and other tobacco products, gas cookers, and open fireplaces. It is also used as a preservative in some foods, such as some types of Italian cheeses, dried foods, and fish. Formaldehyde is found in many products used every day around the house, such as antiseptics, medicines, cosmetics, dish-washing liquids, fabric softeners, shoe-care agents, carpet cleaners, glues and adhesives, lacquers, paper, plastics, and some types of wood products. Some people are exposed to higher levels of formaldehyde if they live in a new mobile home, as formaldehyde is given off as a gas from the manufactured wood products used in these homes.
R Jon,
Formaldehyde is also produced in diet soft drinks when they are exposed to temperatures over 110f. It is rumored to have caused a lot of the neurological conditions that the US troops had after Iraq I.
Semper Fi
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Makes you wonder why soda is shipped and stored without refrigeration. Beer is shipped in refrigerated trucks. Think about the drink isle at the grocery store...all the soda are on the shelves and all the beer is in refrigerators.
I work in a hospital and come in contact with many patients everyday and I refuse the shot every time, for the same reason. I received the shot and got sick. So the virus administered is not live, but I was in bed for 3 days vomiting and just plain miserable! Why put myself through that again?! I eat healthy foods and am almost never sick.
And then there was the report last year that the vaccine wasn't even the strain that was making everyone sick anyway. If it is all just a guessing game. Why would I trust my health to a guessing game?
#13 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:57 PM EDTI find it hard to believe recommendations from drug companies who are profiting from vaccines and other medications that are often harmful. Our bodies are capable of fighting off many of the illnesses we are being encouraged to vaccinate against. By allowing our bodies to fight off common ailments we form immunities and are more able to fight off other illnesses. When my children were young the drug companies didn't advertise on TV and we weren't told that every illness required a doctor's attention. The kids got normal illnesses- colds, chicken pox, occasional stomach ailments, they all ran their normal course and the kids survived without any lingering affects. They didn't get sick very often and with five kids to spread the germs I think we did pretty well. In contrast, some of my grandchildren have been to the doctor more in their short lives than I have in my 50+ years. They get sick more often, even though they have gotten all the vaccines and recommended medications. Bottom line---when there's money to be made there's always a way to make it sound good.
#14 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:33 PM EDTDJ,
Perhaps instead of citing your own experience and perceptions, you should use DATA to develop a conclusion. The fact is that deaths and disabilities from preventable infectious diseases have dropped with the advent and introduction of every vaccine specific for that particular disease. This is not debatable. It is a fact. Furthermore, your remedial explanation of immunology completely bypasses the obvious: if we develop acquired immunity from exposure to a diseases agent, why would you think there is an inherent advantage in exposing the pathological diseases agent rather than one that does not cause the disease? This makes no sense.
On second read of your post, I see where my question diverges from what you are thinking and your understanding of immunology:
"By allowing our bodies to fight off common ailments we form immunities and are more able to fight off other illnesses."
No, this is not true. Acquired immunity works only following specific exposures. You develop antibodies only to the antigens to which you are exposed. Exposure to polio antigens (viral or in a vaccine) generate antibodies and competent B-cells to that epitope ONLY, and so on. You do not develop antibodies to epitopes on other disease agents.
Don't waste your time explaining things to RonJ...it's obvious he's one of the "sheeple" who swallow everything the neo-facists feed him. It's really disturbing that people just "believe" the Mainstream Media, Gov't and so forth and just swallow whatever BS is given to them to justify their actions. He obviously lacks the intelligence for critical thinking and is the perfect target for propaganda. He hasn't a clue what he's talking about and thinks he does just because he can cut and paste a quote or a definition.
Mind you, these kind of people have the same "mentality" as the followers of Hitler and the rest. They are so brainwashed they can't think logically.
PS...and YES Ron....your ZEST IS full of TOXIC ingredients and so is probably almost everything YOU eat. You'll be another oncology statistic sooner or later. ... most likely SOONER.
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Sorry I meant RjonNewsvine,
Mercury is good for you so are cigarettes!
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My ex-wife of 23 years is a lab tech and my family have worked in the medical field for over 100 years. Vaccines save many lives but they do have adverse effects. Know what you are having injected and IMO do not take them all at once. Especially in young children and anyone who have existing medical conditions.
The reasons that the USA population is having so many, marginal health conditions. IMO is that the vaccines are saving many people who, would have died in other countries. These survivors are never going to be as health, as someone that never became sick to start with.
Survival if the fittest has ceased to exist, in our medicated society, and it is only going to get worst. Many more people are living longer with conditions that will require medication for the remainder of their lives. A prime example is HIV/AIDS treatment with it's drug cocktail, and now we have to contend with the spread of drug resistant TB.
Yes I take the flu vaccine and others every year, because I travel all over the world. I have not had the flu in over 20 years. A sinus infection from a 20+ hour plane ride, that required Cipro to cure, but no flu or any other diseases. Take care of your body, eat well, do not smoke, limit any drinking, and you can still have fun. Ha! Ha!
#15 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:06 PM EDTPeople diagnosed as HIV positive who DON"T take the AIDS meds are living longer, MORE PRODUCTIVE LIVES THAN THOSE WHO TAKE THE DRUGS. The AIDS myth is just that.
As a medical provider who has succumbed to the flu once (caught from a fellow doctor who insisted on coming to work SICK) I will always get the immunization. Not because it is perfect and not because it is a guarantee that I won't become ill OR catch influenza. I take in each fall because when I DID get influenza I nearly perished. I do not wish to take that risk again, ever. All I can do is act on the greater wisdom out there. But you folks who are the 'vaccine's are the antichrist' really need to get educated from real, nonbiased sources. In the end folks, infectious disease is going to get us all. Arm yourself in any possible way and then use common sense. AND please those of you who work with the public (teachers, nurses, retail folks, etc) STAY HOME when sick and give the rest of us a fighting chance. Thank you very much
#16 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:18 PM EDTSorry, weblinks were omitted:
Biological Role of Formaldehyde, and Cycles Related to Methylation, Demethylation, and Formaldehyde Production
Author: Kalasz H.
Source: , Volume 3, Number 3, May 2003 , pp. 175-192(18)
Publisher:
An overview is given on the analysis, formation, role and occurrence of formaldehyde in living organisms.
Various methods have been used for the determination of formaldehyde in tissues and body fluids. Gas chromatography, thin-layer chromatography and HPLC were employed for the analysis of formaldehyde, mainly after derivatization. The formaldehyde level of human blood and urine was found at the low ppm level. The formaldehyde level could be increased upto several ten g / mL-1 following special dietary supply.
Biochemical pathway of both the formaldehyde production and demethylation / methylation processes is generally connected to the methionine - homocysteine cycles. Another important way of demethylation generated formaldehyde production is given by microsomal cytochrome P-450 dependent oxidation of xenobiotics, such as various drugs prescribed by doctors. Semicarbazide sensitive amine oxidase also produces formaldehyde.
Increased level of formaldehyde may be the indication of either patho-physiological processes, or environmental contamination, or malnutrition.
The formaldehyde-related methylation and demethylation procedures are also detailed. DNA methylation may have an important role in the pathogenesis of certain diseases."
#17 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:30 PM EDThttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Dangers+of+formaldehyde+&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= Get yourself a clue.
Just because a CARCINOGEN or a TOXIN is "allowable" by our sub-standard, largely head-up-its-ass regulatory gov't agencies to be put into our personal products, food , drinks, building materials etc DOES NOT make it ACCEPTABLE or OK. The same goes for vaccines or anything else . Funny that the EU and other countries ( who are WAY ahead of the US in technology, medicine, agriculture and human rights ) have banned most of the things the US still allows because THEY do not let corporations and lobbyists profit at the risk of public health.
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So what's your thoughts on Thimerosal? It is a MERCURY based preservative also used in the majority of vaccines. Mercury, and all of its different ions destroys nerve cells. Lets look at what the University of Calgary has proven to be true:
#18 - Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:32 PM EDTOne can either believe what they are prescribed without question or a smart person can question why toxins and viruses are being passed off as safe just to be part of society.
How many of the toxic ingredients or viruses would someone drink or purposefully expose them selves to, to feel as if they are protected against nature with out question? Oops, that what people think vaccines are claimed to do, sorry I thought people were smart.
Either people get sick from the flu (or any) vaccine or the vaccines do not do what they are touted to do. Either way, it is my choice to bend over backwards or not to roll up my sleeve, just because there are hypocrites in high places that think they are the supreme authority.
Freedom does not mean being free to be forced to think like you but rather if I believe I know more about what is right for me.
Kerry
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#19 - Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:18 AM EDTFaulty Logic?
No, faulty logic would be when a perfectly healthy person has a vaccine and suddenly they are not so healthy and people fail to call it what it is - an adverse reaction! THAT logic is seriously illogical!
#20 - Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:44 PM EDTAs a professional registered nurse I am embarrassed by my colleague in this story. I'm amazed that she is so comfortable promoting misinformation about the vaccine and possibly endangering her patients and the public. This resprents a giant backwards in the struggle to garner respect for the profession of nursing.
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#21 - Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:31 AM EDTThe article does a good job at pointing out the death rates of the flu in facilities with a low vaccination rate but did not compair the facilities with a higher immunization percentage.
Also, the flu SHOT never got me sick. The flu mist... which is a live virus... definately got sick all 3 times I got it. And the live virus mist can give your loved ones the flu if you rub your nose and then touch them or a door knob or a remote, or computer mouse, steering wheel, keyboard, phone,... get the picture?
So, suck it up... stick with the needle... and stop passing on the flu. One more thing. For heavens sake, cough into your damn arm not on your hand! Does it make sense to spray germs all over the one thing that TOUCHES EVERYTHING??
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#22 - Wed Oct 29, 2008 1:28 AM EDTI find this article amusing.
Sure, blame the staff for not getting a flu shot. HOWEVER, also blame hospital HR policies which count time off (sick) against the individual worker. I worked in one where you were allowed no more than 4 sick days total per rolling calander YEAR...that's right, per YEAR!
It made NO difference if what you had made you a PUBLIC HEALTH HAZARD, or if you had a doctor's excuse to that effect...
Therefore, staff worked with flu, pnumonia, antibiotic resistant strep, pinkeye, or what have you. Because people were afraid to call in sick!
In an industry that is supposed to have such compassion for sick people, hospitals show no compassion to sick staff...and they are threatened with their jobs, or spreading infection to their patients.
I loved my job, and my patients. And I spent my sick time at work wearing a mask, MUCH to other staff members amusment.
Clinical hospital/healthcare employees with a doctors note that the condition is contagious, should NOT have such sick days count as a "Black mark" on their record. Until this is reality...patients WILL continue to become sicker from staff forced to work while sick...
#23 - Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:34 PM ESTWhere I live there is no resistance to getting the flu shot - especially those who have had the flu in the past. There are a few people who have never had the flu - they don't get the shot.
Yes - some people do get the flu after getting the shot - some were already infected and some -maybe got a defective shot. There are a lot of germs that mimic the flu. Some people get sick but not from the flu - they often think it is the flu.
Teachers and heath care workers are exposed to dozens of infected individuals per day. Both health care and school environments are "HotSpots" for disease such as TB and Flu. It is difficult to understand why some individuals would not want to be protected.
Teachers in some school systems have to have a TB test every two years - that should be extended to all students. When you consider that a single student with TB can infect several hundred students in a single day at school.
#24 - Mon Dec 8, 2008 10:41 PM ESTI had my first (and only) flu shot in 1993. About 4-5 hours later I was taken to the emergency room due to temperature of 104, sweating profusely, and gasping for breath - definitely NOT the flu! At the emergency room, they noted my heartrate ranging between 120-140 bpm. I was given several different medications& treatments to slow down my heart and help me breathe, none of which were very helpful. After appx. 12-15 hours in the hospital they provided me with a diagnosis of "Adult Onset Asthma". I had never had a breathing problem in my entire life, and now suddenly I have Asthma. They said it wa s quite normal! Everyone involved (Medical workers) swore to me and my family that this had nothing to do with the flu shot - especially since they had reaffirmed 100 times that I was not allergic to eggs (!) so there was no way it was an effect of the flu shot - just ironic coincidence! I spent a little over 24 hrs. in the hospital and came away with a $25,000+ medical bill and a brand new diagnosis of Asthma which stayed with me for appx. 6 years of inhalers, breathing treatments, etc. (another significant cost). Then, VERY MYSTERIOUSLY after appx. 6 years, my Asthma WENT AWAY. ALL BY ITSELF!
That was the most expensive FREE shot I have ever received. Will never do again - I would have much rather had the flu for a week!
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